Winter riding update

Steve Aronson stevewins at
Sat Dec 22 15:30:13 PST 2007

The helmet speakers I'm using were made by Radio Sound.  They came with a
tiny bracket that clamps onto the edge of the helmet to hold the jack, so
you don't have any wires hanging out of the helmet when you're not using the
speakers.  Also I can pop a tiny creative zen nano player right onto the
jack and not have to deal with wires at all.  The audio is acceptable but
not as good as earbuds, but I prefer the convenience of the speakers.  You
can wear earplugs and still hear the audio pretty good, much to my surprise
when I first tried it.

BTW there are only 100-150W of extra power available on the SV at cruising
RPM, less in traffic.  The SVS has the extra headlight to consider.  My
naked SV is pretty much maxed out with a 100W heated liner on full and
heated grips on high (36W).  Using that extra up with accessories actually
takes some strain off your reg/rec, heat wise.  

I keep my A750 angle adjusted as far as it goes, it helps a little but not
much.  The noise on the A750 actually comes from the narrow sides and the
way the wind whips back around it according to Givi.   A well placed hand on
the side at speed confirms this. I called them and complained when I first
got it about 5 years ago :)  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sv650-bounces at [mailto:sv650-
> bounces at] On Behalf Of Randy Grein
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:07 PM
> To: Suzuki SV650 Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Winter riding update
> I'll think about the heated grips, but probably more about the hand
> protectors. Solves both problems (heat and rain) at the same time, I
> just need to figure out if they will fit with the superbike bars I
> have now. I'm not worried enough about the current draw to install an
> ammeter, we know that there's an extra 200 watts available from the
> charging system but I'm worried about long term damage. The 100 watts
> drawn by the electric liner is more than I need on my torso, half of
> that would be sufficient with warmer hands.
> What helmet speakers are you using? I've seen nothing that would even
> remotely work; even then I can't imagine dealing with the sound coming
> over wind noise. The specific ear buds I listed do stay in with any
> helmet I've tried.
> I'm getting no extra wind noise thanks to adjustments. Initially it
> was louder because I left it too vertical and there was some buffeting
> around the head. Angling it back some allowed the curled upper lip to
> deflect smoothly, and the wind is just at helmet level. I can easily
> drop down to protection at the mouth vent or sit up a bit more to get
> wind to blow my face shield clean of rain. I suspect if you try
> angling your 750 a bit more it'll quiet down.
> Randy Grein, WMRRA #41
> On Dec 22, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Steve Aronson wrote:
> > These grip heaters work well for keeping your hands warm and they're
> > cheap.
> > easy to install, and always with you.
> >
> y_Code=d
> > ual_star_e
> >
> > The factory DL650 hand guards will bolt right on your SV.  Lots of
> > threads
> > and pics on
> >
> > I like using helmet speakers for sound.  My helmet dislodges all the
> > earbuds I've tried so far.
> >
> > A decent voltmeter is a good add on to keep an eye on the drain from
> > your
> > heated accessories.  I like the small and weatherproof Datel
> > meters.  Let's
> > you keep an eye on your reg/rec too.
> >
> bin/cd4power.storefront/476d5bde08fae2a4271d0c
> > 9f894206e6/Catalog/1042
> >
> > Did you find that the Givi 760 added a lot of wind noise to the
> > bike?   My
> > Givi 750 does.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sv650-bounces at [mailto:sv650-
> >> bounces at] On Behalf Of Randy Grein
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:16 PM
> >> To: Motodragons Yahoo Groups
> >> Cc: SV List
> >> Subject: Winter riding update
> >>
> >> It's been three weeks of long distance commuting, long enough to have
> >> a solid opinion on much-needed upgrades. The problem: an 80 mile
> >> round
> >> trip for work, typical Seattle winter weather and traffic. Typical
> >> aging issues - slower metabolism and arthritis in my hands - make the
> >> cold more of a problem than it was 20 years ago. I could just take
> >> the
> >> car every day, but I'm too stubborn - and I lose out on the benefits
> >> of HOV lanes and general biking goodness.
> >>
> >> Givi 760 windscreen. Outstanding. The flyscreen I had previously took
> >> a tiny bit of pressure off my chest - OK for around town but
> >> insufficient for comfort. The Givi provides total torso protection
> >> and
> >> takes most of the blast off my hands and arms. The mounting system
> >> allows considerable adjustment, and after a bit of testing I found
> >> that more angle smoothed out the airflow, cutting wind noise and
> >> helmet buffeting over 70. Heavy winds and high speeds (95 briefly)
> >> show no tendency to destabilize the bike. I'm not concerned with
> >> looks, but I have received complements on that score as well -
> >> drawing
> >> attention to the dented tank. Time to get busy repairing it...
> >>
> >> Gerbing Electric liner, purchased at the Seattle bike show. Why did I
> >> wait so long? This solves SO many problems I've had with cold!
> >> Exposed
> >> neck, too-thin insulation, minor leaks of air and (occasionally)
> >> water
> >> in my outer jacket are just a bad dream. The recommendation is to
> >> remove the outer jacket liner, but testing showed both liners retain
> >> enough heat for comfort in 35 degree rain and improve hand warmth.
> >> It's a bit bulky with both though, and unnecessary at 50 degrees. The
> >> sales guy was right about wanting the thermostat instead of the on-
> >> off
> >> switch. It's not uncomfortable at full blast but the nice baking
> >> feeling is accompanied by vague concerns about the electrics.
> >>
> >> Frogg toggs rain pants, also purchased at the bike show. My current
> >> riding suit handles light rain well, but like any suit more than a
> >> couple years old springs embarrassing leaks
> >> in heavy rain. These polypropylene babies are not pretty, but cheap
> >> and waterproof. Breathable, too. Did I mention cheap, like under $30?
> >> My previous rainsuit was also inexpensive, black with reflectors
> >> and a
> >> bitch to get in and out of. It's now relegated to racing-only. The
> >> Toggs fit either under or over the cold suit and don't collect body
> >> moisture like the sealed clothing does. Oh, and they fold up to
> >> absolutely nothing. A friend who uses them every day says he gets
> >> about 2 years out of the pants, more than most completely waterproof
> >> systems. The extra barrier also cuts leg chill under 40 degrees, the
> >> only remaining cold spot.
> >>
> >> Headphones, purchased at the apple store. Yeah, yeah, I know -
> >> illegal. The law is stupid and doesn't match reality. Keep the volume
> >> down and pay attention to the road it doesn't interfere. I wanted
> >> something to cut down the remaining wind noise, and while earplugs do
> >> the job it's nice to have music or discussion while driving the
> >> superslab. Problem is finding ANYTHING that fits inside a helmet.
> >> I've
> >> tried a number and found they all tend to get dislodged when
> >> putting a
> >> helmet on. I wanted noise canceling headphones (they don't attenuate
> >> sirens or car horns, but do cut wind noise) but would settle for
> >> anything that fit. Enter V-mode. These are similar to many other in-
> >> ear systems but small - small enough to fit entirely in the ear,
> >> probably due to their metal (not plastic) body, they stay inserted
> >> with just a tiny bit of care when slapping a helmet on. A sharp-
> >> looking anodized red with red cables they stand out less than the
> >> ever-
> >> present apple white headphones.
> >>
> >> These mate up nicely with my existing setup - A Fieldsheer 2 piece
> >> riding suit, Olympia winter gloves and Alpinestar touring boots, all
> >> with gore-tex. Sound system is an iPod Nano which carries a decent
> >> mix
> >> of music and podcasts (MotoGP, politics and network professional
> >> stuff).
> >>
> >> I still need a few upgrades. I've reluctantly decided my hands are
> >> still a bit cold at times - glove liners added enough bulk that the
> >> extra insulation was largely negated by pressure on the fingers, and
> >> while my hands stay dry in the rain the gloves get soaked. Rain mitts
> >> or dirtbike-style hand protectors would solve both problems,
> >> otherwise
> >> a set of electric glove liners. I need to get a thermostat (another
> >> $70) to better control heat and absolutely essential if I go with
> >> electric gloves. I can live with the cold spots on my legs, long-
> >> distance touring isn't too likely but it does point out that I need
> >> looser riding pants unless I permanently maintain competition weight,
> >> a drop of 25 lbs.
> >>
> >> Randy Grein, WMRRA #41
> >

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