Pit Bull Trailer Restraint

H-man bwolf26 at comcast.net
Mon Nov 26 18:08:17 PST 2007


I've contacted Charlie VanV (owner of Pit Bull) and he's stated that they
will have a set up for bikes with solid rear axles (like our SVs) or axles
with small diameter hole (e.g., F2s).  This new rig is supposed to be
available this winter.  Or at least before the Spring.  H-man 

"Life has a certain flavor for those who have fought and risked all that the
sheltered and protected can never experience."  - John Stuart Mill

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   1. Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
      (John)
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   3. Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
      (Steve Brunton)
   4. Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
      (Patrick Mullen)
   5. Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
      (Steve Brunton)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:55:50 -0500 (EST)
From: John <spam at onlineconcepts.com>
Subject: Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
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Steve Brunton wrote:
> Any way to bring the 2nd gen stuff over and use it? I've
> been using the STS stuff on my '05.

Yeah, that's my question too. Can you replace a 1st gen swingarm and 
rear wheel with parts from 2003 on? Are the dimensions the same for 
swingarm length, shock mount points, and the swingarm mount point?

A simple parts swap wouldn't be so bad. I would really like to use this 
system because I always seem to blow out my fork seals after trailering 
the bike to the track. (Yes, I'm getting better at inspecting the fork 
legs.)

Also, I just noticed that the 1st gen swingarm pivot is hollow. See this 
photo (not my bike).
http://serge.rossi.free.fr/motos/sv650-2.jpg

I wrote to STS Stands and asked if they were willing to make a version 
for the swingarm pivot. The disadvantages are that rear would no longer 
ride along on the suspension, and the stand would have to be slightly 
taller, inviting some more flex. We'll see if they're interested.

In the mean time, does anyone know if the '99 swingarm is a straight 
swap for an '03 or newer?

BTW, Pit Bull just came out with a similar system.

Pit Bull Trailer Restraint $280
http://www.pit-bull.com/

-John
'99 SV650
'98 VFR800
'70 El Camino



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:14:43 -0500
From: "Patrick Mullen" <pmullen.lists at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
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That pit bull stand looks better than the original in my opinion.  Maybe
someone
who has the STS stand can tell me it's different, but it looks like you have
to
back the bike into it, which means I can't put it back near the rear gate on
my trailer.

Thanks for the tip.


~Patrick
-- 
2003 Triumph Sprint ST
2004 (race) / 2001 (street) Suzuki SV650
2000 Yamaha WR-400
1975 Harley FXE1200



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:17:16 -0500
From: "Steve Brunton" <sbrunton at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
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On Nov 25, 2007 9:14 PM, Patrick Mullen <pmullen.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> That pit bull stand looks better than the original in my opinion.  Maybe
someone
> who has the STS stand can tell me it's different, but it looks like you
have to
> back the bike into it, which means I can't put it back near the rear gate
on
> my trailer.
>

The pit-bull also doesn't hang the rear tyre in the air like the STS
one. You are correct that you back the bike into the STS stand. Some
people mount them so the front tyre faces the rear of the trailer and
back the bikes up and into the trailer. Others (like me) push the bike
in past where the stand mounts, place the stand in the base and then
roll the bike backwards into the thing. If you measure it all out you
can set it up as close to the rear of the trailer as possible. Here
are pics of my setup in my trailer :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nshttpd/sets/72157600418784340/

-steve



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:55:47 -0500
From: "Patrick Mullen" <pmullen.lists at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
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> The pit-bull also doesn't hang the rear tyre in the air like the STS one.

Is hanging the rear tire in the air a feature, a downside, or nothing
worth thinking about?

How do you get the bike into the STS stand?  Do you have to lift
the bike up to attach the stand or do you attach the stand then
back it up to get it into the air?

Thanks for the pictures.


Thanks,

~Patrick
-- 
2003 Triumph Sprint ST
2004 (race) / 2001 (street) Suzuki SV650
2000 Yamaha WR-400
1975 Harley FXE1200



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:55:13 -0500
From: "Steve Brunton" <sbrunton at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: hollow rear axle for SV650 (was: GSXR swinger on '03 SV)
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On Nov 26, 2007 9:55 AM, Patrick Mullen <pmullen.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is hanging the rear tire in the air a feature, a downside, or nothing
> worth thinking about?
>

Meh, probably nothing worth thinking about, just pointing it out.

> How do you get the bike into the STS stand?  Do you have to lift
> the bike up to attach the stand or do you attach the stand then
> back it up to get it into the air?
>

Basically you put the rod thing-a-ma-jig through the read axle and
roll it into the trailer. Then there are two flat iron bars with slots
in them mounted to the trailer floor. The whole upper brace/mount fits
in and locks into those flat bars you then push the bike in reverse
into the brace/mount and there are hoops on the upright that catch the
bar through the axle and it rides up into the stand. Then there are
plates that go into stand to lock the bar into place for transport.

If I was about to go and do it from scratch again I would have to look
at the pit-bull ones a little more. Charlie usually seriously
over-engineers stuff. The only thing with the pit-bulls is that it
looks like you needs tools to remove the clamps from the base plate so
you won't be tripping over them in the back of the trailer, with the
STS ones you don't need tools.

-steve



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