Torque values GSXR

Ernest Montague afm199 at
Sun Mar 16 14:54:53 PDT 2008


I am not blaming the board. I never blamed the board. I am not blaming 
anyone for a poorly written rule, and I already posted that I should 
have said something earlier. However, remember ALEX brought it up to 
the board, not me. I told Alex I would not protest, period.  He chose 
to bring it up as he is a board member and saw a conflict of interest.  
Too bad. He tried to do the right thing, someone else said it should 
apply to all prod bikes. Too bad again.  The rule was clear and poorly 
written. End of story.  I was the one who said: "The emperor has no 

Revisionist BS? Well, first time I heard it was close to 20 years ago.

I also petitioned the board yesterday to just enforce the fork cap rule 
AS IT HAS BEEN ENFORCED and deal with this next year.

And please point out where I am criticizing ANY elected Board Member, I 
don't recall doing that.  I have been a board member of a not for 
profit corp and have  no illusions about how easy it is.

Nor did I propose anything in writing. I bounced the cam swap off BARF 
and nobody seemed to support it, so I was fine with that.  I bounced 
the FORK CAP issue off BARF and Alex because it seemed to me that it 
was NOT in the best interest of a Production class intended for new 
racers and low budget racers to deal with $1300 fork mods.  And even 
the fork rule, if strictly construed, says "modification" of internals. 
The cartridge is not a mod it is a replacement.

When the rule came up I was recovering from a crash, injured and not 
intending to race.  This year things looked better and I decided to. 
Last minute decision.  LIke I said, I wish I had kept my mouth shut, 
and I am not blaming ANYONE for anything. It is just an unfortunate 
event.  Also one that will blow over quickly.


On Mar 16, 2008, at 2:38 PM, wmontoya at wrote:

> Quoting Ernest Montague:
>> Yah when the Montoya Bros ran the club it was impossible to get
>> anything done.
>    Ernie... BS. maybe it makes for a great sound bite but it is only 
> so much
> revisionist BS.
>    the Club has always been a representative democracy with a variety 
> of
> Board folk elected by the membership and w/ different views, opinions &
> interests, and there was never a time when "the Montoya Bros ran the
> club"... and in fact, on many many occasions & many many subjects, the
> Montoya Bros didn't even vote the same way.
>    newsgroups like this sometimes reads like toxic truthiness rants 
> from AM
> pundit radio (e.g. Limbaugh/Savage/etc..) rather than well considered 
> and
> fact-based discussions by and between reasonable racers. and that's
> unfortunate.
>    as for the 650P fork cap issue, the Prod 9.2 rules were submitted 
> in late
> '05 by Alex F., were (i believe) based on the AMA Supersport rules, and
> there's been two "rules seasons" since then for any change proposals; 
> if
> no one (member or official) submitted changes to those particular rules
> before this season (and after the '08 Rulebook was finalized), can you
> rightly blame the current Board for having written that set of rules 
> (which
> they didn't), OR for not divining this issue that apparently some of 
> you
> knew about long before now (which they couldn't have done), OR for not
> accepting/making a rule change after the season started which impacts
> multiple Prod classes and that is not specifically safety-related 
> (which is
> almost never done)? or would it be a good idea to make a class rule 
> change
> (that is not specifically safety-related) which specifically benefits 
> (and
> was proposed by that) one Board member?
>    blame who you want for the reasons you want, but it's plainly FOS 
> for any
> of you who knew there was a legal issue w/ a particular class & mod 
> and who
> didn't act when the time was right (e.g. when '08 rule changes or 650P
> class rules were being solicited and finalized).
>    Zoran stated the exact fork cap mod needed to meet the letter of the
> 9.2.8 rule and until the rule is changed, that's obviously the right
> interim solution.
>    it's easy to point a finger at your elected officials for not doing 
> what
> you want/think but unless YOU did what you could/should to try to enact
> your desired change, YOU are also complicit... so have a mirror handy 
> when
> pointing that scolding finger.
>    and if you did submit something and it wasn't passed, maybe take a 
> look
> at the details and reasons before throwing shit around... the proposal
> could have been great but stupidly passed over by an inept Board, OR it
> could have been iffy and/or not supported by members or not consistent 
> w/
> other rules, or it could have just been a dumb proposal passed over by 
> a
> reasonable Board.
>    no ones perfect and no one can please everyone... and most things 
> in life
> (or the AFM) are not as black&white as some would paint it.
> regards...   WM

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