better brakes

zoran zv30 at sbcglobal.net
Thu Sep 25 16:14:07 PDT 2008


funny,I have never hit rev limiter in 6th on sv.not even at Miller with 
15/46 gearing.


Zoran Vujasinovic
Twin Works Factory
775-786-4881
www.twfracing.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Burgess" <chris at chrisburgess.com>
To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: better brakes


> My SV650 stock motor last year indicated 146mph at the end of Spokane
> Raceways.  This is with a Michelin C front using the stock speedo pickup.
> Gearing was 15/44 with a Michelin Power Race 160 rear tire and I was 
> sitting
> at the rev limiter (had to roll off just a tad before turn 1 or it smack 
> the
> rev limiter mid corner)
>
> No idea how far off it is but the front tire is a bigger tire than the 
> stock
> tire which unless I am incorrect means the speedo is going to read low
> compared to stock.
>
> Anybody have guesses on what the real speed was?
>
> -Chris
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Jo Rhett 
> <jorhett at fastlizardracing.com>wrote:
>
>> Heh, I'd love to see an SV go 140mph.  Real life fastest I think mine 
>> have
>> gone was 126 *with* a hefty tailwind.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Kabara, Richard M. wrote:
>>
>>> Jo, keep in mind that power goes with the cube (3rd power) of speed for
>>> aero drag. At those speeds, mechanical drag is a small percentage of 
>>> total
>>> drag, assume it zero. Assume aero drag is the same for both bikes.
>>>
>>> These are ROUGH numbers for illustration:
>>> GSX-R1000  150 rear wheel-hp  180mph top speed
>>> SV650       70 rear wheel-hp  140mph top speed
>>>
>>> (180mph/140mph)^3 = 2.1
>>>
>>> 150hp/70hp      = 2.1
>>>
>>> So the GSX-R1000 has more than double the hp, but only goes ~30% faster
>>> than the SV...
>>>
>>> Mother Nature is a real bitch!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jo Rhett [mailto:jorhett at fastlizardracing.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:51 PM
>>> To: Suzuki SV650 Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: better brakes
>>>
>>> 100 more horsepower gets you 15mph?   That's hard to believe.
>>> (not saying you are wrong, just doesn't make any sense to me)
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:20 PM, zoran wrote:
>>>
>>>> it is about 15-20 miles per hour difference between two bikes.
>>>> it is acceleration of gsxr that makes you think it is much faster
>>>> than that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zoran Vujasinovic
>>>> Twin Works Factory
>>>> 775-786-4881
>>>> www.twfracing.com
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Rhett" <
>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: better brakes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quite possible, I hardly checked it out to determine accuracy ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me that it wasn't just 135 or something.  That's within 10
>>>>> miles per hour of what the SV does.  I was going faster by halfway
>>>>> down the straight than the SV does at the end of the straight.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:41 PM, vik anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I race a 2005 GSXR1000 and I have never seen anything close
>>>>>> to  170 at
>>>>>> Thill. My laps times are usually 1:58's. Sometimes faster,
>>>>>> sometimes slower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Methinks the bike you were riding was re-geared and the speedo,
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>> notoriously inaccurate anyway, was reading higher due to the re-
>>>>>> gearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jo Rhett <
>>>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh?  Just to be clear, my mid-corner speed between 14 and 15 was
>>>>>>> ~90mph
>>>>>>> and I was well past 150mph before the start/finish line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember, GSXR1000.  Not an SV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Ernest Montague wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> adjusted for bench racing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actual 135
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vik anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 170?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Jo Rhett <
>>>>>>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A long time ago there was a conversation about having better
>>>>>>>>> brakes, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> was told that I didn't know good because I had never felt it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well the '03 750 front end had better stopping power, but only
>>>>>>>>>> incrementally so and certainly wasn't an eye opener.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last week I rode a friend's 2006 GSXR1000 and *THAT* was some
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> brakes.  I grabbed them lightly in the paddock and did a full on
>>>>>>>>>> stoppie.  I
>>>>>>>>>> was worried they might be too grabby on the track, but at
>>>>>>>>>> speed  they
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> incremental and *sweet*.  170mph down Thunderhill's front
>>>>>>>>>> straight and I
>>>>>>>>>> felt better entering turn 1 on the GSXR1000 than I ever did on
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> sv650.
>>>>>>>>>> My god those brakes were nice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The pads were Vesrah SRJL, which I have already acquired.
>>>>>>>>>> Is  there
>>>>>>>>>> anything else about the '06 brakes I might want to find?  Can
>>>>>>>>>> I  just
>>>>>>>>>> swap
>>>>>>>>>> these onto my '03 front end?  Pretty please?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Vik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Vik
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>  Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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