better brakes

Randy Grein randygrein at comcast.net
Thu Sep 25 23:16:16 PDT 2008


Must be that good clean NorthWest air. (grin) Or slightly different  
rules. Depending on the dyno a competitive supersport SV makes 80-85 hp.

Randy Grein, WMRRA #41

On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, zoran wrote:

> miller straight is 3300 feet.
> in fact I did not hit it at daytona either.
>
>
> Zoran Vujasinovic
> Twin Works Factory
> 775-786-4881
> www.twfracing.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Burgess" <chris at chrisburgess.com 
> >
> To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: better brakes
>
>
>> The straight is something like just short of a mile long or  
>> something like
>> that.  Its really boring actually.
>>
>> Here's a link to the sat shot:
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=spokane,+wa&ie=UTF8&ll=47.663841,-117.569439&spn=0.013498,0.026093&t=h&z=16
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:14 PM, zoran <zv30 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> funny,I have never hit rev limiter in 6th on sv.not even at Miller  
>>> with
>>> 15/46 gearing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Zoran Vujasinovic
>>> Twin Works Factory
>>> 775-786-4881
>>> www.twfracing.com
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Burgess" <chris at chrisburgess.com 
>>> >
>>>
>>> To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:04 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: better brakes
>>>
>>>
>>> My SV650 stock motor last year indicated 146mph at the end of  
>>> Spokane
>>>> Raceways.  This is with a Michelin C front using the stock speedo  
>>>> pickup.
>>>> Gearing was 15/44 with a Michelin Power Race 160 rear tire and I  
>>>> was
>>>> sitting
>>>> at the rev limiter (had to roll off just a tad before turn 1 or  
>>>> it smack
>>>> the
>>>> rev limiter mid corner)
>>>>
>>>> No idea how far off it is but the front tire is a bigger tire  
>>>> than the
>>>> stock
>>>> tire which unless I am incorrect means the speedo is going to  
>>>> read low
>>>> compared to stock.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have guesses on what the real speed was?
>>>>
>>>> -Chris
>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Jo Rhett <jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Heh, I'd love to see an SV go 140mph.  Real life fastest I think  
>>>> mine have
>>>>> gone was 126 *with* a hefty tailwind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Kabara, Richard M. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo, keep in mind that power goes with the cube (3rd power) of  
>>>>> speed for
>>>>>> aero drag. At those speeds, mechanical drag is a small  
>>>>>> percentage of
>>>>>> total
>>>>>> drag, assume it zero. Assume aero drag is the same for both  
>>>>>> bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are ROUGH numbers for illustration:
>>>>>> GSX-R1000  150 rear wheel-hp  180mph top speed
>>>>>> SV650       70 rear wheel-hp  140mph top speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (180mph/140mph)^3 = 2.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 150hp/70hp      = 2.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the GSX-R1000 has more than double the hp, but only goes  
>>>>>> ~30% faster
>>>>>> than the SV...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mother Nature is a real bitch!
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jo Rhett [mailto:jorhett at fastlizardracing.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:51 PM
>>>>>> To: Suzuki SV650 Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: better brakes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 100 more horsepower gets you 15mph?   That's hard to believe.
>>>>>> (not saying you are wrong, just doesn't make any sense to me)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 1:20 PM, zoran wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is about 15-20 miles per hour difference between two bikes.
>>>>>>> it is acceleration of gsxr that makes you think it is much  
>>>>>>> faster
>>>>>>> than that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Zoran Vujasinovic
>>>>>>> Twin Works Factory
>>>>>>> 775-786-4881
>>>>>>> www.twfracing.com
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Rhett" <
>>>>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:17 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: better brakes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quite possible, I hardly checked it out to determine  
>>>>>>> accuracy ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trust me that it wasn't just 135 or something.  That's within  
>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>> miles per hour of what the SV does.  I was going faster by  
>>>>>>>> halfway
>>>>>>>> down the straight than the SV does at the end of the straight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:41 PM, vik anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I race a 2005 GSXR1000 and I have never seen anything  
>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>> to  170 at
>>>>>>>>> Thill. My laps times are usually 1:58's. Sometimes faster,
>>>>>>>>> sometimes slower.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Methinks the bike you were riding was re-geared and the  
>>>>>>>>> speedo,
>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>> notoriously inaccurate anyway, was reading higher due to the  
>>>>>>>>> re-
>>>>>>>>> gearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jo Rhett <
>>>>>>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Huh?  Just to be clear, my mid-corner speed between 14 and  
>>>>>>>>> 15 was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~90mph
>>>>>>>>>> and I was well past 150mph before the start/finish line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Remember, GSXR1000.  Not an SV.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Ernest Montague wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> adjusted for bench racing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actual 135
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vik anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 170?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Jo Rhett <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jorhett at fastlizardracing.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A long time ago there was a conversation about having  
>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was told that I didn't know good because I had never  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well the '03 750 front end had better stopping power,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incrementally so and certainly wasn't an eye opener.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last week I rode a friend's 2006 GSXR1000 and *THAT* was  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes.  I grabbed them lightly in the paddock and did a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> full on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stoppie.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was worried they might be too grabby on the track, but at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed  they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental and *sweet*.  170mph down Thunderhill's front
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt better entering turn 1 on the GSXR1000 than I ever  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sv650.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My god those brakes were nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pads were Vesrah SRJL, which I have already acquired.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is  there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else about the '06 brakes I might want to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find?  Can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I  just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> swap
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these onto my '03 front end?  Pretty please?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vik
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Vik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>>>>> #553 WERA / AFM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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