[SV650] Greetings and questions

Randy Grein randygrein at comcast.net
Sun Jul 5 13:20:36 PDT 2009


Bad gas could be the entire reason it's running poorly. Let us know...
Randy Grein, WMRRA #41

On Jul 5, 2009, at 12:45 PM, John Treadwell wrote:

> When I got it, and when I got it home, it idles a little high, but  
> sounds very good. Idles around 2000-3000, I wasent able to play with  
> the idle screw as it was recessed. It also had very bad gas in it.
> It appears to be running on two cylinders.... It sounds like it is,  
> but I'm not sure. I have just cleaned the carbs moderately, And am  
> about to go get some good gas to throw in, and try to start it again  
> and see how it acts.
>
> I was very surprised with the motor, as there were no ticks, no  
> strange sounds, just sounded good. I will perform a compression test  
> later, the next time I pull the tank. If It runs a little better  
> now, I will start on the rear wheel, and fixing the kickstand as  
> primary concerns, The bike was almost out of gas as well, but not  
> entirely. But the fuel light was flashing, and sometimes solid on.
> I was surprised in the float bowls I did find gasoline pudding.  
> Which even after cleaning out carbs on bikes from the 80s, I've  
> never really seen varnish like this. But I cleaned it out with carb  
> cleaner as well as I could. Went through about 4 cans.
> I'm not sure if a valve adjustment has been done, but I know I will  
> need to do one, it also appears there is an oil leak, But until I  
> get a stand or a kickstand, It's going to be hard to diagnose this  
> stuff, as I don't want to move it from the wall.
> Anyone know if a yamaha seca II kickstand will fit? I Could go grab  
> my friends.... as he's not going to be using his bike for a while....
> Anyway, I'll report back after I get some good gas in it, and see  
> how it runs.
> Thanks,
> --John
>
>
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>> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:16:12 -0400
>> From: "John T" <DBSS_Gohan at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [SV650] Greetings and questions
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>> Hi all, Greetings from Raleigh, N.C.
>> I just signed up for the list, and have always found mailing list  
>> on my favorite vehicles quite helpful communities.
>> I've been riding for a while, but have wanted an SV for around 5  
>> years, and after selling my last bike, just picked a 2000 SV up  
>> last night.
>> It has a couple of issues I wanted to ask about....
>> The bike had been sitting for a while before I got it. I'm starting  
>> with a carb cleaning, and I have removed the carbs, I'm planning on  
>> running some B12 chemtool through it, and some other carb cleaner,  
>> and maybe letting that sit overnight, and then pouring it out. I've  
>> cleaned out the float bowls, and sprayed through the passages, but  
>> I didn't really want to take out the caps to remove the idle  
>> screws, or pilot screws, whichever ones are in the caps, to dip in  
>> a chem bucket. I figured I would go with this, and if I still have  
>> an issue, I'll go back and end up tearing them down entirely, or  
>> either have a shop do it. I really don't want to mess with the  
>> stock settings.
>> The symptoms of the problem it is having... mostly is that it won't  
>> rev past 6,000 RPM. And it's very low on power, and lacking some  
>> throttle response.
>>
>> Next. I believe the rear wheel is out of alignment. It starts to  
>> feel more unstable, and leany if that makes any sense, the higher  
>> speed you go. Almost wobbly, but not quite. The indicators on the  
>> swingarm are off by bit, so I figured this may be the issue. And or  
>> an issue with the back brake.
>>
>> Next, the mounting piece, otherwise known as #6 on most catolouge  
>> diagrams for the kickstand, does that bend out a little bit? I  
>> stupidly left the kickstand down on the 3 hour drive home, when we  
>> had strapped it to the trailer, and It bent the kickstand down  
>> pretty far. My options for this are replace, or bend the old one  
>> back right? I can't figure if the kickstand itself bent, or that  
>> mounting piece, anyone know if the mounting piece bends out a  
>> little already? Anyone ever made the same mistake and had any luck  
>> with a way of bending?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> --John
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:49:05 -0700
>> From: Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [SV650] Greetings and questions
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>> Welcome to the list John!
>> Last problem first - IIRC the piece you refer to is steel and can be
>> bent back, although it's more likely that the stand itself bent.
>> Bending it back while on the frame might not be a good idea; I'd at
>> least TRY a press, or if that's not available a solid vice and
>> engineers hammer.
>>
>> The wobblies - quite a few things could result in the symptoms you
>> describe, so check but don't stop at wheel alignment. Get the rear on
>> a stand, point the front wheel straight and from behind sight down
>> each side of the rear wheel at the bottom so that you can just see  
>> the
>> edge of the front. Note how much of the rear wheel sidewall is  
>> showing
>> and then check the other side; if it's aligned correctly both sides
>> will show the same amount of sidewall. More likely is the tire is  
>> worn
>> and misshaped. Look at it from behind; is there a pronounced flat  
>> spot
>> on one side or the other? More serious is crash damage with the forks
>> and triple clamps being likely culprits. Sorting that out might be
>> beyond your comfort level; if a close inspection turns up nothing you
>> might want to take it in to an expert - a frame shop is best,  
>> although
>> a good bike shop should be able to determine if something is crooked.
>>
>> Carb cleaning - never been a fan of the chemical methods, but that's
>> lack of experience. I hear quite a few people who have tried it
>> without success, but it could be the successful ones don't write in.
>> However the symptoms you describe don't fit an idle circuit problem.
>> If it's carburetor it's the main jet that's clogged, but there are a
>> lot of other things that could cause this. Is it running on both
>> cylinders? How does it idle, just barely or not at all - or just  
>> fine?
>> Is compression good? Any weird sounds coming from the motor? Let us
>> know...
>>
>>
>> Randy Grein, WMRRA #41
>>
>> On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:16 PM, John T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, Greetings from Raleigh, N.C.
>>> I just signed up for the list, and have always found mailing list on
>>> my favorite vehicles quite helpful communities.
>>> I've been riding for a while, but have wanted an SV for around 5
>>> years, and after selling my last bike, just picked a 2000 SV up last
>>> night.
>>> It has a couple of issues I wanted to ask about....
>>> The bike had been sitting for a while before I got it. I'm starting
>>> with a carb cleaning, and I have removed the carbs, I'm planning on
>>> running some B12 chemtool through it, and some other carb cleaner,
>>> and maybe letting that sit overnight, and then pouring it out. I've
>>> cleaned out the float bowls, and sprayed through the passages, but I
>>> didn't really want to take out the caps to remove the idle screws,
>>> or pilot screws, whichever ones are in the caps, to dip in a chem
>>> bucket. I figured I would go with this, and if I still have an
>>> issue, I'll go back and end up tearing them down entirely, or either
>>> have a shop do it. I really don't want to mess with the stock
>>> settings.
>>> The symptoms of the problem it is having... mostly is that it won't
>>> rev past 6,000 RPM. And it's very low on power, and lacking some
>>> throttle response.
>>>
>>> Next. I believe the rear wheel is out of alignment. It starts to
>>> feel more unstable, and leany if that makes any sense, the higher
>>> speed you go. Almost wobbly, but not quite. The indicators on the
>>> swingarm are off by  bit, so I figured this may be the issue. And or
>>> an issue with the back brake.
>>>
>>> Next, the mounting piece, otherwise known as #6 on most catolouge
>>> diagrams for the kickstand, does that bend out a little bit? I
>>> stupidly left the kickstand down on the 3 hour drive home, when we
>>> had strapped it to the trailer, and It bent the kickstand down
>>> pretty far. My options for this are replace, or bend the old one
>>> back right? I can't figure if the kickstand itself bent, or that
>>> mounting piece, anyone know if the mounting piece bends out a little
>>> already? Anyone ever made the same mistake and had any luck with a
>>> way of bending?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> --John
>>
>>
>>
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