[SV650] Greetings and questions

Chris Burgess chris at chrisburgess.com
Mon Jul 6 09:58:59 PDT 2009


Yeah I know...I was just curious what happened in your case.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Ernest Montague <afm199 at earthlink.net>wrote:

> There are more than one leaks that can do that.  A low pressure leak ( base
> gasket or water pump) will dump water into your oil WITHOUT any oil into
> your cooling system.  Crankcase pressure is lower than cooling system
> pressure. You can also get a head gasket leak that will dump water into the
> crank without combustion pressure.
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Chris Burgess wrote:
>
> Like I said. :)  Did you get water into your oil then and it turned into a
>> milkshake?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Ernest Montague <afm199 at earthlink.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking about the experience. Of trouble shooting one that I had
>>> that
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Chris Burgess wrote:
>>>
>>> I know you guys have more experience here but think about the pressures
>>>
>>>> generated in the combustion chamber?  If the water camber is availabe
>>>> it'll
>>>> push massive pressure through that at any time.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:32 AM, kc <kc at brgracing.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ernie's right duel plain head gaskets can drive you crazy they can blow
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> small way in between the sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: sv650-bounces at micapeak.com [mailto:sv650-bounces at micapeak.com]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ernest Montague
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:28 AM
>>>>> To: Suzuki SV650 Mailing List
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [SV650] Greetings and questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Not necessarily. A head gasket leak can be quite small.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Chris Burgess wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not a head gasket.  If it was all of the water in your system
>>>>>
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>> blown out the radiator into the reserve tank and then out that tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Randy Grein <randygrein at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming it's a head gasket. Could just be the freeze plugs. A few
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> ago I stupidly forgot that my streetbike was a track bike conversion
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> hadn't added antifreeze. Pop the valve cover gaskets and check; the
>>>>>>> plugs
>>>>>>> are right under there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Randy Grein, WMRRA #41
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:24 PM, John Treadwell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Bigger problem I just noticed. The oil looks like a milkshake. And
>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> coolant is down 1/4th of the way in the radiator, as yesterday... it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> almost full.
>>>>>>>> Blown headgasket.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any idea how much it typically cost to get one
>>>>>>>> replaced?
>>>>>>>> I figure it can't be too hard to do on this, if it's the rear
>>>>>>>> cylinder. If
>>>>>>>> it's the front it will be harder. I won't be able to work on it and
>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>> compression test results until Wednesday now, as some things came
>>>>>>>> up. But
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if I could get a good deal on getting a majority of
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> things fixed... like the headgasket, some oil leaks... chain and
>>>>>>>> sprokets
>>>>>>>> and tires.... I'm imagining the price list for the parts will be
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> like this...
>>>>>>>> Sprockets front and back - 60
>>>>>>>> Chain - 60
>>>>>>>> Headgasket - 50
>>>>>>>> Seals - 20
>>>>>>>> Tires - 260-300 installed from a stealership
>>>>>>>> (Does anyone know If you can get better deals on tires online?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have any idea what labor might cost me on these things If I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> someone else do it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking at the diagrams, it doesent look too difficult to pull the
>>>>>>>> heads,
>>>>>>>> and I probably need to for valve adjustments anyway, But I just
>>>>>>>> wonder if it
>>>>>>>> would be more worth my time to let someone else do the work instead.
>>>>>>>> But It
>>>>>>>> might cost far too much and I need to do it myself. lol
>>>>>>>> Looks like the carbs are at least less of a worry than before.
>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>> --John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Randy Grein" <randygrein at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:38 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "Suzuki SV650 Mailing List" <sv650 at micapeak.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SV650] Greetings and questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like you still have crud in the gas. If it was sitting that
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you may need to drain the float bowels a few times if any water  is
>>>>>>>>> collecting. Also check the air filter & make sure something isn't
>>>>>>>>> nesting
>>>>>>>>> there. The right side cover, if it's from the outer cover is  an o
>>>>>>>>> ring; if
>>>>>>>>> the last owner pinched it it will leak like anything. If  you try
>>>>>>>>> to replace
>>>>>>>>> it clean the groove of oil & put a bit of grease in  it - sticky
>>>>>>>>> wheel
>>>>>>>>> grease is good - to hold the o ring in place while  installing. You
>>>>>>>>> might as
>>>>>>>>> well drain the oil at the same time; that way  you can replace the
>>>>>>>>> washer
>>>>>>>>> under the drain plug. I'm guilty as anyone  of not replacing it,
>>>>>>>>> but they
>>>>>>>>> don't reuse well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The loud clicking sounds bad - broken wheel bearing maybe? Grab the
>>>>>>>>>  wheel & back end and push/pull it hard sideways; if you can feel
>>>>>>>>> any  slop
>>>>>>>>> don't ride it - at all! A loose chain has nothing to do with the
>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>> lack of torque, that's still your carburation problem. At  least it
>>>>>>>>> idles
>>>>>>>>> but the choke (really it's an enrichener circuit, not  choke) cable
>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>> be cleaned. You can still find a cable lube kit  at some bike
>>>>>>>>> shops, the
>>>>>>>>> heart of the system is a blue anodized fixture  with a twist knob
>>>>>>>>> to clamp
>>>>>>>>> around a cable end. A hole in the rubber  accepts the spray nozzle
>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>> lubricant can like WD-40 and is great  for cleaning and lubing
>>>>>>>>> cables. You
>>>>>>>>> will have to disassemble the left  handlebar switch, but it's not a
>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck...
>>>>>>>>> Randy Grein, WMRRA #41
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:36 PM, John Treadwell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I got the gas in it, and the carbs cleaned, and it runs a bit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> better. It will rev past 5/6k now, but sometimes it gets a little
>>>>>>>>>> hesitation
>>>>>>>>>> as it's approaching it. I suppose the gas needs to run through it
>>>>>>>>>> a bit, but
>>>>>>>>>> I've got an oil leak from the right side of  the bike, around the
>>>>>>>>>> larger
>>>>>>>>>> engine cover over there.... Possibly at  one of the plugs on the
>>>>>>>>>> bottom as
>>>>>>>>>> well. I'd like to fix those, as  theres quite a bit of oil
>>>>>>>>>> leaking. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> going to do a quick wheel  alignment, and chain tension, as my
>>>>>>>>>> brakes on the
>>>>>>>>>> back seem to  engage too early, And I'm getting a loud clicking
>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>> back as I  take off. Also, the bike doesent seem to want to have
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>> torque  to take off from the lower rev range, I've gotta feather
>>>>>>>>>> the clutch,
>>>>>>>>>>  and rev it up too long I think, But I'm thinking that could just
>>>>>>>>>> be  really
>>>>>>>>>> loose chain tension.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The front tire looks cupped from what I can tell. I need to check
>>>>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>>>>> pressures. I torched and hammered out the kickstand itself a
>>>>>>>>>> little bit,
>>>>>>>>>> and now I'm thinking about bending the mounting piece a  bit, or
>>>>>>>>>> continuing
>>>>>>>>>> to whack on the kick stand itself.... the bike  will lean now...
>>>>>>>>>> but it's
>>>>>>>>>> still leaning a little too much for my  comfort. So I'm gonna go
>>>>>>>>>> throw that
>>>>>>>>>> bracket in my vice, and see if I  can bend it out a little.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also... the bike will idle however I want it to now... The choke
>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>> now.. it didn't when I got it. The choke is a little... hard  to
>>>>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>>>>> though. I am going to check plugs and compression here in a  few
>>>>>>>>>> minutes as
>>>>>>>>>> well. I'll report back with those findings as well.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> --John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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