some advice re: downshifting in corner entry

Chris Burgess chris at
Wed May 18 22:49:33 PDT 2011

Randy...for me the order is incorrect:

shift to the inside
squeeze the brakes
pop up
<and pick up from there>

You want your butt to the inside of the seat before you sit up so you are in
position for the turn.  You want to already be braking before you sit up to
keep your weight to the rear.  The only reason to popup is for visibility
and bracing for the brakes.

The really interesting part about braking before sitting up is the people
behind you may key off you braking by you sitting up and if you don't, they
are now too hot into the corner and end up loosing corner entrance speed.


On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Randy Grein <randygrein at>wrote:

> Thinking about this a bit - it's one thing to SIT on the seat, another to
> use it when you're in the right spot. Sounds like you may be having
> placement issues, but I could be off. If so, keep in mind that you need to
> be in the right position ahead of time - then it's perfectly fine to rest on
> the seat. You'll feel tire grip better that way anyway. So, if this is
> anywhere near the problem you'll want to:
> pop up
> shift to the inside (hang off)
> squeeze the brakes
> tip in as you reduce brake pressure
> touch a knee down and fold it up
> get on the gas
> hit your apex
> straighten up as you add throttle
> move to the center of the seat (raise your body using your legs) after
> you're more or less straight
> Randy Grein
> On May 17, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
>  On May 12, 2011, at 3:02 PM, matthew patton wrote:
>>> Support upper body with your legs.
>> This is where it is changing for me.  I used to stand hard on the pegs and
>> entirely support my body with the pegs.  However Ken Hill has impressed on
>> me that I can't go any faster this way (and he's right) and convinced me to
>> have weight on the seat to free up my feet for moving around to be in the
>> right place for corner entry.  Watching fast riders (AMA and WSBK, MotoGP)
>> shows that this is exactly what they do.
>> This change put more weight back on the bars (which is where Ken says it
>> should be).  This has actually improved my corner entry and exit and allowed
>> me to get on the gas harder out of the corner than before -- which is good.
>>  But corner entry has gone to crap.  This isn't about improving my hard
>> braking, it's about recovering the ability to brake smoothly at all.
>> --
>> Jo Rhett /  velociRaptor Racing
>> #553 WERA / AFM

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