Cruel and unusual perhaps? Nahh... :) I saw a bumpersticker once there in NH that said, "Live, Freeze and Die!" -Rob -----Original Message----- From: J. Mason [mailto:masonjs at nrtco.net] Yes I love that on your plates that are manufactured by incarcerated felons.. That'd be a bitch running the stamping press punching those out for life plus 20 years Jim.