carb problem?

[David Beard]

Jerry,

    The pod filters do effect the amount of air going in the carbs. 
Running the carbs with no airbox and no pod filters is not going to work 
well. You won't get it running right that way. Even if you do get it 
jetted right, your jetting will be off when you put the pods on.

    I would wait for the filters to show up and make sure you tune and 
test with them on the carbs. Otherwise you'll be chasing your tail in 
circles. You may want to just pony up the money for a Factory Pro Stage 
3 jet kit so you'll know you have the right needles and jets. Otherwise 
you'll be guessing and tuning will be more difficult.

Dave B

Jerry Clair wrote:
> David,
>  I am waiting for the delivery of the pods. Couple of days at least.
> -in the mean time I'm just trying to get it running. so no box.
>  It (#2 bike) has be jetted.
> but there appears to have one clip and no washers on the needles.
> I switch out the springs
>
>
> */David Beard <davidebeard at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>     Jerry,
>
>         I'm a little confused. Are you using the stock airbox or are
>     you using K&N pod filters?
>
>         Dave
>
>
>     Jerry Clair wrote:
>>     2 clips? WTF. How do I know if I have a 108?
>>     Pilots are at 2 1/2
>>
>>     Steve Northrop <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com> wrote:     The baseline installation is the clip in the second groove from the top.  There needs to be a washer above the clip and another clip in the first groove,  otherwise the white plastic retainer won't hold the needle down tightly. When  replacing the white plastic retainer, make sure the feet don't cover the  slide lift hole in the bottom of the slide. The main jet should be a 108 and the  pilot screws 2 1/2 turns out. Again, these are the baseline Dynojet installation  instructions.
>>       
>>      Steve in Western NY
>>     '96 GPZ1100
>>     '02 Daytona 955i
>>     "You Can't Fix  Stupid", Ron White
>>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>>        From:    Jerry    Clair 
>>        To: Steve Northrop 
>>        Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:29    PM
>>        Subject: Re: carb problem?
>>        
>>
>>     The clip is on the 3rd from the top. hmm, is that    right?
>>
>>     Steve Northrop <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com>    wrote:                   That's the needle that dangles from the slide. You can see it's tapered      at the end. The slide raises and lowers the needle relative to a fixed      orifice depending on engine load. The main jet is below the needle and      provides the fuel that is below the fixed orifice. Whenever I have the carbs      off and the slides out, I take a little crocus cloth (very,very fine      sandpaper) and smooth out any rough spots, especially on the "wings". Inside      the slide is a white plastic retainer that just lifts out, then the needle      can come out. If the needle has little grooves at the top with an "e" clip      in one of them, a jet kit has been installed. If the needle just has a nail      head, it's stock.
>>           
>>          Steve in Western NY
>>     '96 GPZ1100
>>     '02 Daytona 955i
>>     "You Can't      Fix Stupid", Ron White
>>                 -----        Original
>>      Message ----- 
>>            From:        Jerry Clair 
>>            To:        blackgpz at rochester.rr.com                Sent:        Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:27 PM        Subject:        Re: carb problem?          Ah! Master Steve,  The problem is that I don't know        WTF I have. Nor do I know very much of what I'm doing. 1. But I sure        can compare the springs from my stocker to No.2. When I pull the        diaphram up & out (thats the main Jet dangling off the slide        -right?)  2. Shouldn't the slides be very smooth in        operation?  3. um, what else is down inside        there?  blackgpz at rochester.rr.com wrote:        Jerry,          did you say you thought there was a Dynojet kit installed? If 
>>     so,          compare the diaphragm springs to the stock ones. If they're shorter          
>>     than
>>      stock they are NFG. These kits are notorious for an off-idle          bog 
>>     if you use their springs. Replacing with the stock springs          solves the 
>>     problem.
>>
>>     Steve
>>
>>     ----- Original Message          -----
>>     From: Jerry Clair 
>>     Date: Thursday,          July 19, 2007 12:46 pm
>>     Subject: carb problem?
>>     To: Kawasaki GPZ1100          discussion 
>>
>>       
>>>     OK, so I'm not the best          mechanic, when it comes to carbs.
>>>     Bye-bye box. wow, what a pain          and poor design. and the
>>>     reed valves, really are not like a PVC?          I know we just talked 
>>>     about this but whats a good wat to plug          it?
>>>
>>>     So, I yank the suckers off, and found the pilots at          3 turns,
>>>     instead of 2 to 2.5 turn, no biggy. Idles great now.          The slides
>>>     made different sounds from one another and could be          smoother.
>>>     Diaphrams intact and everything basically very         
>>>      clean.
>>>     Still, any acceleration and she bogs to a stall.
>>>              
>>>     So, I'm considering taking the known good carbs off of
>>>              bike 1, and test bike 2 even though, the test will not have
>>>     the          air box and using the muzzy as opposed to the stock
>>>     one bike 1.          
>>>
>>>     I'm considering welding a handle to the darn tank at          this point!
>>>     Think I should empty the tank first. J/K
>>>              
>>>     Jer
>>>
>>>
>>>              
>>>         
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