Engine will not operate off choke.

Wed Oct 3 09:48:21 PDT 2012

I had a similar problem recently and found out one of my plugs was fouling
with gas as the petcock was leaking.  Just ordered a rebuild kit off of ebay
for the petcock kit, only ~$12 and figure the years have taken it's toll.
While I agree this bike is a bit finicky when starting I owe it all to my
excessive lean jetting for mile high altitude.  To be honest my '88 ZX10 was
just as finicky and I think that was the lean CA jetting as it got better
when I moved to Colorado.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: gpzlist-bounces at micapeak.com [mailto:gpzlist-bounces at micapeak.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Blanchard
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:09 AM
To: John Soliday
Subject: Re: Engine will not operate off choke.

I've had an ongoing, similar problem for almost a year (one of these days I
might get around to fixing it, too).  For me, if the bike sits for more than
4 or 5 days, one of the float bowls slowly dries up, causing it to run on 3
cylinders until vacuum and time refill the bowl (sometimes takes many miles,
and when the fourth cylinder fires up - WHAM!  FULL POWER!!).

At the same time, *one* of my main jets sticks a bit.  Idling is fine, but
as soon as I crack the throttle the bike stumbles.  Badly.  Again, this is
only if the bikes sits for a while (a sad reality, given the schedule I
keep).  Keeping a steady diet of K100 fuel additive, Stabil ethanol
treatment, and an occasional dollop of Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas tank
all help, and riding with the choke cranked up makes it possible to keep
riding until everything fills/loosens up - but the bottom line is fuel
delivery.

This Geeper has proven to be *much* more finicky and riddled with fueling
problems than my last one.  I think I need to do a complete rebuild (again)
this winter, and maybe return to the stock jets (I *think* the previous
owner installed a jet kit) but adjust them for the V&H system.

Drew in VT

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Randolph Peters <arpee44 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Randy,
> I am also thinking along those lines but the question is if it is 
> being starved for fuel application of the choke will not make a
difference, no?
> Or will it?
> With the choke fully engaged I've even ridden it for some distance 
> with no problems except the huge amount of revs.
>
>
> From: Randy noneofyourbusiness <tuner_delorean at yahoo.com>
> To: Randy Peters <ARPEE44 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Engine will not operate off choke.
>
> so far every time I have encountered this problem on various cars, 
> motorcycles, it was starved for fuel, some restriction somewhere, even 
> had a "new" fuel filter not flowing good on an older Harley, have seen 
> rubber hoses deterioate from inside & flake off & partially block 
> fuel, have seen dirt & trash clog screen in tank, have had petcocks 
> where rubber seal flaked with age & use & was causing problem, that 
> was on old Harley. have had excessive rust keep clogging fuel filter 
> on an old truck. it could also be trash has blocked jet inside carb(s) .
>
> based on what I have seen in my past, I would chase fuel flow problems 
> first.
>
> Later,
> Randy
>
> --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Randolph Peters <arpee44 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Randolph Peters <arpee44 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Engine will not operate off choke.
> To: "Randy" <tuner_delorean at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 11:21 PM
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> Sorry to change the subject but I have a problem and would be grateful 
> for any help from y'all.
> On Sunday I started the ZZR 1200 with full choke as usual but when I 
> released the choke the engine will not respond to the opening of the 
> throttle but coughs and dies.
> If I re-apply full choke it responds to the throttle being opened 
> wide, no hiccups, full power just extreme revs. even blips of the 
> throttle get the required response. Just as long as the choke is fully
applied.
> Any ideas?
> The bike had stood in the rain during heavy downpours we had in West 
> Texas all through the weekend.
> So I disconnected and used spray cleaner on all the connections I 
> could find, including those hooked up to he fuse box and the igniter, 
> the fuel pumps (the ZZR has two), the coils.
> I cannot decide if this problem is electrical or fuel delivery.
> Being able to rev with full power with full choke seems to me to 
> discount fuel filter or fuel pumps/delivery issues.
> What do the wise ones opine?
> Thanks.
> Randy from New Orleans.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Soliday <johnsoliday at msn.com>
> To: Randy Peters <ARPEE44 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:46 AM
> Subject: GE Light Bulbs
>
> Gents,
>
>
>
> Ignore my previous post about the headlights, the discount is no 
> longer in force and the selector guide is totally screwed up.  Sorry, 
> but I just determined that the bulbs I bought for my truck were wrong 
> (thanks to the defective selector guide) and the H4's are not dropping to
$20 at checkout.
>
>
>
> John
>
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