Issues! HELP!

John Soliday johnsoliday at
Sat May 23 13:02:16 PDT 2009


That explains it getting hot.  I would NEVER go to that shop that said the chain was fine ever again!  There is no difference between x-ring and o-ring, just marketing hype.  I favor Tsubaki chains, they are a bit more than EK, etc. by imho they seem to last longer.  I used to roadrace and dragrace years ago and really got into using Tsubaki (one of my few sponsers).  You WILL need new sprockets as well, I'd check at Dennis Kirk or Motorcycle accessory warehouse online to get an idea of the going rate.  I need to go out and get ready for a graduation party but tomorrow I'll scan the rear wheel assembly for you and send you a .pdf file.  Looking at the diagram I think you've got the order correct.



-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Ramsey [mailto:ramsey.gc at] 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:28 PM
To: John Soliday; 'Dave Daniels'; 'Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion'; 'Jonathon Jay'
Subject: Re: Issues! HELP!

Looks like it's time for a new chain... Now, any suggestions on a new chain? 
I've heard that there's no real difference between the X-ring chain and the 
O-ring chain other than lazy asses buy X-ring chains because the claim is 
they don't have to lube as often. Any truth to this? Also, if I could get 
more input on how the rear wheel assembly goes back together I would feel a 
lot more comfortable with the way it is. I put it back together in this 
order (starting on chain side): Axel, alignment tab, swing arm, spacer 
(92027) {cupped portion to the inside}, sprocket assembly, rubber damper, 
wheel assembly, spacer (92143) {wide portion to the outside}, caliper, swing 
arm, alignment tab, washer, axel nut. I didn't pull any of the bearings or 
disassemble any part that didn't come off with removing the axel.

From: "John Soliday" <johnsoliday at>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:07 PM
To: "'Guy Ramsey'" <ramsey.gc at>; "'Dave Daniels'" 
<dwaynedaniels at>; "'Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion'" 
<gpzlist at>; "'Jonathon Jay'" <annihilator1100 at>
Subject: RE: Issues! HELP!

> If the chain truly has 36K on it I would think that is some kind of world 
> record ;-)  Also, if it's worn out the shop should have noticed, amazing 
> if they said it was fine so something doesn't make sense.  Put the bike on 
> the centerstand and pull on the chain from the center rear of the rear 
> sprocket.  If you can pull enough chain off the sprocket to see a gap 
> between the chain and sprocket (at the low end between two teeth) then it 
> is really toasted.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy Ramsey [mailto:ramsey.gc at]
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:10 PM
> To: John Soliday; 'Dave Daniels'; 'Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion'; 'Jonathon 
> Jay'
> Subject: Re: Issues! HELP!
> John, I haven't noticed any unusual wear. Then again, I don't know what
> unusual wear is since this is my first chain drive. I had the bike in for
> the 36k service about two weeks ago and they stated that the chain looked
> fine. I asked them to adjust it, but I guess they forgot to do it because 
> it
> had the same amount of slack in it as before I took it in. I have noticed
> that the chain seems very warm almost on the verge of hot after riding it
> for 40+ miles. It almost seems like it is getting hot enough to re-liquefy
> the chain lube. I also noticed some red spots on the chain when using a
> different type of chain lube. I recently changed to Silkolene and I no
> longer have those red spots. I don't see any kind of rubbing on the rear
> sprocket and it seems to be meshing properly. The chain doesn't look like 
> it
> has any grooves being cut into it at any location. I posted a few weeks 
> ago
> asking what order the pieces went back together for the rear axle but only
> received one reply stating that it was correct. When I took the rear wheel
> off, everything just fell apart and I wasn't able to see what order and
> direction they were in originally. I'm pretty certain the manual has it
> wrong. Oh, and yes I am adjusting both sides of the swing arm. I even went
> as far as to pull the adjusters and set them using a digital micrometer 
> and
> then matching the turns side for side. The left side tab has moved rear 
> 1/2
> an alignment notch while the left has not moved at all and my chain is 
> still
> looser than it was. I found out that the chain has never been replaced and
> has 36k on it. How long is a chain expected to last? The manual just 
> states
> to check and replace if necessary.
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Soliday" <johnsoliday at>
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:31 AM
> To: "'Guy Ramsey'" <ramsey.gc at>; "'Dave Daniels'"
> <dwaynedaniels at>; "'Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion'"
> <gpzlist at>; "'Jonathon Jay'" <annihilator1100 at>
> Subject: RE: Issues! HELP!
>> You might have a chain with uneven wear.  If you carefully rotate the 
>> rear
>> wheel and check the chain tension at different points, does the chain
>> tension vary like from 1/2" in one place to like an 1"+ in others?  If so
>> the chain is toast and so are the sprockets.  I never had a vibration 
>> from
>> this type of wear but if it were severe, maybe...
>> John
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gpzlist-bounces at [mailto:gpzlist-bounces at]
>> On Behalf Of Guy Ramsey
>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:18 AM
>> To: Dave Daniels; Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion; Jonathon Jay
>> Subject: Re: Issues! HELP!
>> I forgot to mention on the vibration. It doesn't vibrate while
>> decelerating or with the clutch disengaged. Only while trying to maintain
>> a speed or accelerating at the speeds already stated. No change while
>> using either brake. This leads me to believe it has something to do with
>> the drive line (clutch, chain, sprockets, wheel, etc.) or possibly the
>> transmission.
>> From: Dave Daniels
>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:42 AM
>> To: ramsey.gc at ; Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion ; Jonathon Jay
>> Subject: RE: Issues! HELP!
>>      Stupid question, but are you tuning the adjustment screws on "both"
>> sides of the bike?
>>      --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Jonathon Jay <annihilator1100 at>
>> wrote:
>>        From: Jonathon Jay <annihilator1100 at>
>>        Subject: RE: Issues! HELP!
>>        To: ramsey.gc at, "Kawasaki GPZ1100 discussion"
>> <gpzlist at>
>>        Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 8:35 AM
>>        Ok, I may be way off, but maybe something I say may be a brain
>> nudger.
>>        When new, my bike had a BAD front end shimmy when decelerating 
>> from
>> 70 to 45. The guys at the stealership who did final assembly checked it
>> and said they didn't torque the front whell to speck and it was loose.
>>        As far as the chain goes, what first comes to mind is to have its
>> alignment checked at a shop. The front centerline may be different than
>> the rear. causing it to sit out more on one end. that would affect it's
>> overall tightness, it would be looser on either the left or right side of
>> a sprocket. I say go to the dealer and have it checked. Perhaps they can
>> tell you what is wrong. In that case ask how much to fix and upon their
>> answer, say you're gonna have to go work out some finances cause things
>> are kinda tight right now, more than you anticipated, yadda yadaa. Then 
>> go
>> home and fix it and silently thank them for the free diagnostic. This has
>> worked for me for years on cars.
>>        Unrelated to your problem, when I was breaking my clutch free
>> yesterday I just threw a seat on the holes in back real quick. Didn't
>> check to make sure it was on right in the front. Now my seat won't come
>> off. Any ideas?
>>        Regards-
>>        J
>>        What's The Difference Between Ignorance And Apathy?
>>        ~ I Don't Know And I Don't Care ~
>>        > From: ramsey.gc at
>>        > To: gpzlist at
>>        > Subject: Issues! HELP!
>>        > Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 07:26:41 -0500
>>        >
>>        > I'm having mechanical issues right now and it's confusing the
>> hell out of me. For starters it has a vibration that started happening
>> around 65mph, now it's worked it's way down to 40mph. So something's
>> getting worse. The other issue I'm having (which could be the root cause)
>> is that when I set my chain tension, the left alignment tab is moving aft
>> about 1/4 notch while the right doesn't move at all. The real confusing
>> part is, that despite the axel moving aft, my chain tension is becoming
>> more and more slack. I haven't pulled the chain yet to check the length 
>> on
>> it, but I don't think the chain has more than 10k on it. The chain is
>> getting loose enough that it's running along the chain guard on the top 
>> of
>> the swing arm and leaving black plastic flakes all over my left pipe. I'm
>> a bit paranoid to ride it long distances in it's condition. Any ideas? 
>> I'm
>> tightening the rear axle bolts to 80 lb/ft as stated in my manual so I
>> know that's not the cause...
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