what a pain!

Charles Scappaticci scapco at ecentral.com
Tue Jan 9 20:04:19 PST 2007

My understanding is that everything below the cylinder head is the same. 
  It would be a good way to go to get it back together.

Charles S.

Steve Northrop wrote:
> A ZX11 lower end uses the same crank, rods, pistons and cylinder as our 
> GPZ. However, the cylinder head and cams are different. I was suggesting 
> using a ZX11 "short block" and bolting your GPZ cylinder head and cams 
> onto it. They will bolt onto a ZX11 engine no problem. I just don't know 
> if the engine cases (that have the mounting points) or if the 
> countershaft sprocket offset is the same as ours. If it were me and I 
> was truly interested in keeping the bike, it's something I would look into.
> Steve in Western NY
> '96 GPZ1100
> '02 Daytona 955i
> "You Can't Fix Stupid", Ron White
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Daniels" 
> <dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Steve Northrop" <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com>; "GPZ LIST" 
> <gpzlist at micapeak.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: what a pain!
>> Pardon my ignorance Steve, but if the rod bearings are done in, why 
>> would changing out the cams and cyinder head put me back in business??
>> Steve Northrop <blackgpz at rochester.rr.com> wrote:  George is exactly 
>> right about the gold flakes. You didn't tell us about them
>> before. Sounds like that GUNK stuff did the bearings in. Anybody know 
>> if a
>> ZX11 bottom end would bolt in? The GPZ engine shares a lot of the same
>> components. Don't know if the cases/countershaft sprocket location is the
>> same as ours. I do know the ZX11 does not use the same countershaft
>> sprocket. If so, you could just change out the cams and cylinder head 
>> and be
>> back in business. It's a shame you're having so many troubles. The GPZ
>> really is a great bike, just not indestructible.
>> Steve in Western NY
>> '96 GPZ1100
>> '02 Daytona 955i
>> "You Can't Fix Stupid", Ron White
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Daniels"
>> To: "Jameson, George E." ; "GPZ LIST"
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:22 PM
>> Subject: RE: what a pain!
>>> I was kind of wondering if this could be the case. If it comes to it, 
>>> I'll
>>> part it out, unless I can find an engine. Thanks.
>>> "Jameson, George E." wrote: Gold flakes in
>>> oil is bearing backing material, there is no good news here. You have
>>> reached a difficult decision making point. Inspect/rebuild yourself, 
>>> buy a
>>> salvage motor, or part out. Professional rebuild will be close to 
>>> what the
>>> bike is worth. Good luck.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Dave Daniels [mailto:dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net]
>>> Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 4:21 PM
>>> To: GPZ LIST
>>> Subject: what a pain!
>>> Well, I've gotten my new clutch in, and it is operating properly now it
>>> seems. But, my problems are far from over. I'm going to summarize below
>>> what I've gone through to this point. Maybe all you experts could help
>>> me/lead me to what I should do next.
>>> My clutch was slipping which was the first problem. Somebody suggested
>>> that maybe putting in that synthetic oil, which has anti-friction
>>> additives in it, caused those additives to get embedded in the friction
>>> plates, which could be causing the slipping. Afterall, the bike only has
>>> just over 4000 miles on it. How could the clutch be bad yet? So, I
>>> thought, maybe I'll try running some Gunk engine flush through there.
>>> Actually a friend recommended it since he's been doing it for 30 years.
>>> Maybe that'll clean off those plates and it'll stop slipping. So, I 
>>> tried
>>> it, then refilled with regular Kawasaki oil. Yep, it stopped 
>>> slipping, but
>>> soon, the bike started running badly and was acting like the clutch was
>>> gonna sieze up. My guess was that, when I drained the oil after the 
>>> flush,
>>> I didn't get it all out of the oil cooler and the remaining gunk-filled
>>> oil mixed with the new oil and messed up the new oil. So, I drained it
>>> again and made sure all of it was out. Refilled again
>>> with standard oil. Still running badly, and ticking now. So, I do a 
>>> valve
>>> adjustment and it needed it. Still ticking, and now when I get on the
>>> throttle, I get a strange rattley, growling noise(hard to describe). 
>>> Plus,
>>> the clutch is slipping again. Finally, I get mad and open up the 
>>> clutch to
>>> discover one of the fingers(tangs) on the clutch basket has broken 
>>> off and
>>> is nowhere to be seen. This is when I drop the pan and find it to be a
>>> horrible mess. gold metal flakes all over the bottom and especially 
>>> around
>>> the magnetic drain plugs. Oil pump sucker screen almost completely 
>>> clogged
>>> up. And, I found the broken tang in the bottom of the pan. I got a new
>>> basket and some new plates, cleaned out the pan and replaced the screens
>>> and put it back together. Except for the clutch slipping, it seems that
>>> these noise problems began after I did the engine flush. Still have the
>>> noises and it's getting worse. So, tell me all you experts, what's the
>>> prognosis? I'm really really
>>> discouraged here. Thanks very much for all the help you guys provide. It
>>> is priceless!
>>> Dave D.
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