what a pain!
johnsoliday at msn.com
Wed Jan 10 17:39:46 PST 2007
Well obviously the original owner beat the heck out of it, it happens
sometimes. Back in college I used to buy bikes and fix 'em up for extra
beer money. I really lost some bucks back in the day on a 73 Yamaha TX750
(I Know, I know, don't tell me, now I know). I bought it, rode it exactly
1/2 block away and pulled into a gas station because it was almost out of
gas and the rear wheel locked up as I pulled into the station,....a seized
engine. Never did anything with it. Father-in-law gave it away to some
poor fool. It happens sometimes. In this GPZ case though, it seems that if
one were to look for a ZX11 mill used, you could probably get the bike back
together for a reasonable price.
From: Steve Northrop [mailto:blackgpz at rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:41 PM
To: GPZ LIST
Subject: Re: what a pain!
George is exactly right about the gold flakes. You didn't tell us about them
before. Sounds like that GUNK stuff did the bearings in. Anybody know if a
ZX11 bottom end would bolt in? The GPZ engine shares a lot of the same
components. Don't know if the cases/countershaft sprocket location is the
same as ours. I do know the ZX11 does not use the same countershaft
sprocket. If so, you could just change out the cams and cylinder head and be
back in business. It's a shame you're having so many troubles. The GPZ
really is a great bike, just not indestructible.
Steve in Western NY
'02 Daytona 955i
"You Can't Fix Stupid", Ron White
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Daniels" <dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jameson, George E." <george.jameson at mirant.com>; "GPZ LIST"
<gpzlist at micapeak.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: what a pain!
>I was kind of wondering if this could be the case. If it comes to it, I'll
>part it out, unless I can find an engine. Thanks.
> "Jameson, George E." <george.jameson at mirant.com> wrote: Gold flakes in
> oil is bearing backing material, there is no good news here. You have
> reached a difficult decision making point. Inspect/rebuild yourself, buy a
> salvage motor, or part out. Professional rebuild will be close to what the
> bike is worth. Good luck.
> From: Dave Daniels [mailto:dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 4:21 PM
> To: GPZ LIST
> Subject: what a pain!
> Well, I've gotten my new clutch in, and it is operating properly now it
> seems. But, my problems are far from over. I'm going to summarize below
> what I've gone through to this point. Maybe all you experts could help
> me/lead me to what I should do next.
> My clutch was slipping which was the first problem. Somebody suggested
> that maybe putting in that synthetic oil, which has anti-friction
> additives in it, caused those additives to get embedded in the friction
> plates, which could be causing the slipping. Afterall, the bike only has
> just over 4000 miles on it. How could the clutch be bad yet? So, I
> thought, maybe I'll try running some Gunk engine flush through there.
> Actually a friend recommended it since he's been doing it for 30 years.
> Maybe that'll clean off those plates and it'll stop slipping. So, I tried
> it, then refilled with regular Kawasaki oil. Yep, it stopped slipping, but
> soon, the bike started running badly and was acting like the clutch was
> gonna sieze up. My guess was that, when I drained the oil after the flush,
> I didn't get it all out of the oil cooler and the remaining gunk-filled
> oil mixed with the new oil and messed up the new oil. So, I drained it
> again and made sure all of it was out. Refilled again
> with standard oil. Still running badly, and ticking now. So, I do a valve
> adjustment and it needed it. Still ticking, and now when I get on the
> throttle, I get a strange rattley, growling noise(hard to describe). Plus,
> the clutch is slipping again. Finally, I get mad and open up the clutch to
> discover one of the fingers(tangs) on the clutch basket has broken off and
> is nowhere to be seen. This is when I drop the pan and find it to be a
> horrible mess. gold metal flakes all over the bottom and especially around
> the magnetic drain plugs. Oil pump sucker screen almost completely clogged
> up. And, I found the broken tang in the bottom of the pan. I got a new
> basket and some new plates, cleaned out the pan and replaced the screens
> and put it back together. Except for the clutch slipping, it seems that
> these noise problems began after I did the engine flush. Still have the
> noises and it's getting worse. So, tell me all you experts, what's the
> prognosis? I'm really really
> discouraged here. Thanks very much for all the help you guys provide. It
> is priceless!
> Dave D.
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