what a pain!

John Soliday johnsoliday at msn.com
Wed Jan 10 17:34:53 PST 2007

IMHO, find a junk yard motor and replace.  Probably a ZX11 long block with
your carbs would work.  If you wanted to be totally trick you could change
out your heads/cams onto the ZX11 to make it a true GPZ, but I'm not a total
expert on the delta between the ZX11 block and the GPZ other than heads,
carbs, and cams.  Anything else that we should know from the gurus out there


-----Original Message-----
From: Jameson, George E. [mailto:george.jameson at mirant.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 5:45 PM
To: Dave Daniels; GPZ LIST
Subject: RE: what a pain!

Gold flakes in oil is bearing backing material, there is no good news here.
You have reached a difficult decision making point.  Inspect/rebuild
yourself, buy a salvage motor, or part out. Professional rebuild will be
close to what the bike is worth. Good luck.


From: Dave Daniels [mailto:dwaynedaniels at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 4:21 PM
Subject: what a pain!

Well, I've gotten my new clutch in, and it is operating properly now it
seems. But, my problems are far from over. I'm going to summarize below what
I've gone through to this point. Maybe all you experts could help me/lead me
to what I should do next.
  My clutch was slipping which was the first problem. Somebody suggested
that maybe putting in that synthetic oil, which has anti-friction additives
in it, caused those additives to get embedded in the friction plates, which
could be causing the slipping. Afterall, the bike only has just over 4000
miles on it. How could the clutch be bad yet? So, I thought, maybe I'll try
running some Gunk engine flush through there. Actually a friend recommended
it since he's been doing it for 30 years. Maybe that'll clean off those
plates and it'll stop slipping. So, I tried it, then refilled with regular
Kawasaki oil. Yep, it stopped slipping, but soon, the bike started running
badly and was acting like the clutch was gonna sieze up. My guess was that,
when I drained the oil after the flush, I didn't get it all out of the oil
cooler and the remaining gunk-filled oil mixed with the new oil and messed
up the new oil. So, I drained it again and made sure all of it was out.
Refilled again
 with standard oil. Still running badly, and ticking now. So, I do a valve
adjustment and it needed it. Still ticking, and now when I get on the
throttle, I get a strange rattley, growling noise(hard to describe). Plus,
the clutch is slipping again. Finally, I get mad and open up the clutch to
discover one of the fingers(tangs) on the clutch basket has broken off and
is nowhere to be seen. This is when I drop the pan and find it to be a
horrible mess. gold metal flakes all over the bottom and especially around
the magnetic drain plugs. Oil pump sucker screen almost completely clogged
up. And, I found the broken tang in the bottom of the pan. I got a new
basket and some new plates, cleaned out the pan and replaced the screens and
put it back together. Except for the clutch slipping, it seems that these
noise problems began after I did the engine flush. Still have the noises and
it's getting worse. So, tell me all you experts, what's the prognosis? I'm
really really
 discouraged here. Thanks very much for all the help you guys provide. It is
  Dave D.

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